tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post3315734657025187508..comments2023-04-16T10:29:59.950-07:00Comments on Truth and Peace: Abutbol - A Victim of "Comedic" Editing?David Bar-Cohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04947303965983667270noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post-81595513076174529022013-11-13T03:54:10.258-08:002013-11-13T03:54:10.258-08:00If you listen to the radio show David linked to ab...If you listen to the radio show David linked to above you'll hear that the segment was replayed for Abutbol. He didn't not claim that there was any nefarious editing and in fact validated by responding to questions on it. Neither he nor his staff had been proactive in trying to stem the damage that was spreading internationally. It's obvious that if we were the victim of false editing they would have been on it immediately. <br /><br />His claim, on the follow up interview, that he was not familiar with the term "gays" flies in the face his background. He's a BT who went to public school and served in the army. He had a career as a radio host and actor before spending many years in politics. <br /><br />Was it possible he was flustered, maybe. But again, his background in radio makes that highly unlikely. <br /><br />It's too easy to blame the media here. Whether he was talking about gays or pedophiles what he said wasn't pretty.<br /><br />Also, for better or worse, more and more Americans are getting their news from Comedy Centrals Jon Stewart. It's a new reality.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post-8101301922873040712013-11-12T23:01:53.772-08:002013-11-12T23:01:53.772-08:00Here's a link to Abutbol's radio interview...<a href="http://player.glz.co.il/Player.aspx?FixedPoster=true&FixedPosterName=GLZAOD.jpg&ClipID=131111-12&Type=aod&Width=300&Height=200" rel="nofollow">Here's a link</a> to Abutbol's radio interview with Ya'el Dan. A quick summary: <br /><br />Abutbol says he regrets if anyone was hurt or offended by his words, by his not being clear. He says several times emphatically that he was "sure" Shai was speaking about pedophilia, which is what he meant when he referred to the police and Health Ministry. (Nowhere did he say that he thought that the word "gays" meant pedophiles.) He says that when it comes to private citizens, it's their life, and Beit Shemesh has a diverse population. Then Yael poses the pointed question: Are there gays and lesbians in Beit Shemesh? And he says, "I now hear that there are. I didn't know." She asks if he only just found out when the Shai b'Shishi interview was aired, and he says, "No, a bit before that" (though presumably after he made his infamous remarks). It goes on, but that's the main gist in terms of the issues I addressed. My take:<br /><br />1) In terms of the "no gays in Beit Shemesh" line, he flat out admits having believed that. Though there's no question that part of the interview was edited out between Shai's question and Abutbol's response, and I'd like to hear that.<br /><br />2) It seems to me extremely unlikely that Abutbol would have spoken about homosexuality as being a matter related to the "police". It makes much more sense that Shai had made some reference to pedophilia, and he responded to that. Which is what Abutbol is claiming.<br /><br />3) I think we need to be much more discerning and skeptical where it comes to clips like these, which are edited for "comedic effect" to make people look as foolish as possible. But on the other hand (like Daniel says above), Abutbol doesn't mention anything about being the victim of an editing hack job. Which either means he wasn't, or else he simply did a terrible job defending himself. Or both!David Bar-Cohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04947303965983667270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post-89740223482763761452013-11-12T10:06:21.286-08:002013-11-12T10:06:21.286-08:00David, you have gone to a lot of trouble here and ...David, you have gone to a lot of trouble here and that is admirable. Tricky part is that the Mayor himself has not made such a claim, and indeed is taking this in a completely different direction. Sort of like "Ahhh, you meant gays, I thought you meant pedophiles." He made no complaint about creative editing.Daniel Goldmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07102060423780326204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post-29947014779573062802013-11-12T08:39:26.826-08:002013-11-12T08:39:26.826-08:00Your truth-seeking is more than admirable, it is a...Your truth-seeking is more than admirable, it is a pure movement of the soul.<br />It would "feel" so much better and would so reinforce "our" side of the R/BS divide if there were no editing and the mayor did, in fact, say all that we think he said. We'd be so justified in our animosity. That's where I am emotionally. I don't have the ability, at least given the history we share with said mayor, to give him the benefit of the doubt here.<br />I do think the Emet part of your quest is remarkably addressed.Rachelynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1131907817946868673.post-83573225206517319412013-11-12T08:03:36.805-08:002013-11-12T08:03:36.805-08:00 In the galei zahal interview with Yael Dan yeste... In the galei zahal interview with Yael Dan yesterday. Abutbul admits that he said these things .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com